SHADOWS END – ‘VIXEN-AI’
Luminara tracks down the villain Kaido at a remote location, but he is more powerful than she anticipated.
Content: Superheroine fight, pantyhose, peril, combat, beatdown, debooting, forced sex, no nudity.
Price: $30 USD / Length: 18 Minutes
Message from Producer: I know for many of you AI is a divisive subject matter. It is for me too. I prefer films with real people myself. Despite that, I decided to play with the newer technology available and saw the potential to maybe create a series that can be additive to the genre and not detractive. If people enjoy this product, I will continue to make more. It is expensive to make a film of this length, despite however it might appear from afar. If you’d like a more in-depth explanation, one is included in the article below.
If you feel compelled to say reductive things about AI below, feel free to. I will not personally moderate negative comments.
Koda White (aka Damien Woods)
Email: vixen.ai.films AT gmail.com
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ORIGINAL POST / MESSAGE FROM DW
So, I have mulled over this decision for a little bit now. For the sake of transparency, I don’t really know how I ultimately feel about it. I am conflicted to say the least. But sometimes you need to pull off the bandaid – I, Damien Woods, have made an AI film.
Someone I am close to in this business had been encouraging me for sometime now to play with the new tools available in the AI space, I was resistant. My favorite part of making SHIP films is getting to make them with real warm body living women. I am sure many of you would jump at the chance of getting to see and direct this stuff up close and personal, especially when it all comes together perfectly and relate to that sentiment.
I have also spent my life as an artist (outside of filmmaking) doing the hard work, so I have plenty of moral objections to big tech companies sucking in all this human work, distilling it into a algorithm and selling it for their own profit. I also don’t agree with the sentiment that if you can’t beat them, you should join them. But I would be lying if I were to say I have not benefited from leveraging AI tools for my work. In that way, maybe I am a hypocrite.
As early as TKJ (2023) – I used AI to write the TV reporters dialogue, to make it sound more official without having to imagine the words myself (I tried, it wasn’t convincing enough to me). I also used AI to create a few story insert images during the TV reporter section of said film. Shortly after, when making Heroine News – I also used AI processing to make generic images to promote the site (including the banner of this site which includes an AI image under the text) or whenever I have the occasional sale (anyone remember the Christmas blind box?).
Those are all arguably things I could have paid an artist to do. I didn’t. (Side note, I did try to hire some artist to make images for this site, they didn’t want to be associated with adult work. But thats another story.)
Even more recently, I reached out to Rye to help me create a couple AI generated video shots for Spectral and Wonder Woman: Fallen Angel (the shot of the two men leaving the room when Spectral is on the ground and the VFX shot of Ares vanishing into a portal). One of them was a shot I missed during production, the other was to make my life easier and save 4 days of hard labor for a throw away shot.
All that to say, my hands are not clean. I have been using the technology, just not as a primary product. So I gave myself an ‘out’, that since I wasn’t selling the AI art per se, that I wasn’t a participant in the behavior. But, thats bullshit right? I am.
So, after months and months of encouragement (maybe closer to a year now), I bite the bullet. During some downtime I did some research, I learned some of the tools, I got my hands dirty. And the slippery slope and the bug bit me – I saw the potential of telling a unique SHIP story with the technology. So brick by brick I assembled and played. I built a story. I worked up an expensive AI bill. And then I had to figure out what to do with the child I gave birth too – smother it and toss it in a vault? Or put it out there for consumers to chomp on.
Transparency part 2: I considered deceiving you. New studio name, new producer name, no-one has to know… right? If people didn’t buy it, no harm, no reputational foul. Hands clean. Move on with my life. It makes sense anyway doesn’t it? A guy with a secret identity fetish, finding a round about way to make a secret identity for his secret identity (my name isn’t really Damien, in case you didn’t know). But, I think I would be lying to myself that you, as a person who has watched my work (some of you for over a decade now, almost two decades for the rare few), wouldn’t at the very least be suspicious when you see all my staples pop up in this random new filmmakers work. To deceive you would be to assume you weren’t smart enough to figure it out for yourself.
I would slip up somewhere. How I type, what I focus on, signing into the wrong profile when responding to a comment. I am human. I don’t think the ruse would be worth it. And all that to do what? Not sully my good dirty fetish name?
There are some things I think I need to clarify for you, the viewer, the fan, the hater, the audience for this genre. 1. I do not plan on becoming an AI creator only. I want to make films with real people. That hasn’t changed. 2. I plan on their being a separation of my AI films from my non AI films (SHL as a branding will be humans only), VIXEN-AI would be the studio name/alas for my AI work. 3. I have plenty of real human films shot, being actively worked on, and will be out in the near future. 4. I plan on making films with humans for as long as I am capable of doing so.
That all being said. I have made an AI film. I decided not to vault it. I decided I should be honest that I did it. I do think many of you would enjoy it. I don’t know how I will feel about this in the long term. I will probably continue to use these tools, at the very least, to make my human films stronger when it comes to things that aren’t possible to do on a limited budget (think heroine stopping a runaway train). Ultimately, it is up to you, the consumer, to support what you want and not buy what you don’t. I will not argue in defense of AI, especially when I have moral objections to it. You are welcomed to post your criticism of this decision in away you choose too, I will not moderate most of what you have to say (within reason, like obviously death threats would probably get deleted). But I also have no desire to partake in debates regarding a topic that I already struggle with to begin with. For all I know, in a years time maybe I regret this decision and put down the digital axe.
I hope that all makes sense. If you have any questions for something I failed to address, ask below in the comments.
With love,
Damien Woods
I wanted to ask if there were any updates to the robin film or a future lofi project.
Lofi will drop soon
Still conflicted on AI productions and I don’t see myself buying any in the near future. (As someone who’s purchased quite a lot of your work).
That being said I recommend looking into Seedance 2.5 and Seedream 5 for NSFW AI video making. It’s still quite new but it’s pretty insane how good it is for character consistency, realism and explicit content.
Look forward to seeing what you do next!
Conflicted about buying it, but an expert in the tools, and sending a recommendation on how to make more. So, it sounds like you aren’t really that conflicted about it.
I mentioned I’m conflicted in general about AI superheroine movies (as it seems are quite a lot of folks), not about buying it. I have no plans to spend on AI content at this stage until the tools get considerably better.
Like I said, as someone who’s a fan of your work I thought I’d give some advice on how to get passed the NSFW barriers that are holding back a lot of superheroine movies imo, but no need to take it on board.
Do you see the irony though? In recommending me tools for work you have no plans in buying. Tools that you seem to be familiar with and probably used yourself. I don’t care if someone does or doesn’t want to buy my work. But I don’t personally care for recommendations about whats for dinner from someone who made it clear they weren’t going to be attending said dinner.
hmm, I can see your point.
I guess I figured as someone who uses it quite a bit, it could help with your sales with other customers or improve the AI content to a level where maybe I would consider buying, but all good.
Hope it goes well regardless, I’m curious to see where you go with it.
God I wish you would get over yourself. You are beyond pretentious. Dude gave you a recommendation. And blow it out of proportion like you always do. The way you talk to people, I know for a fact you don’t speak to people like that in person because you wouldn’t be breathing. Keep being brave behind screens. It really suits you.
I do speak like this to people in person. And most people don’t fuck with me. I am not easily intimidated. I don’t mind conflict. I grew up in a bad neighborhood, so a pussy behind a keyboard is the opposite of intimidating to me.
I would like to remind you, that if you don’t like me, you have free will. You have the ability to not drive traffic to my website. You have the ability to not click on my post. You have the ability to not read what I write.
But you do. So, between you and me, whose the bigger bitch?
Is this the script for your next movie? It’s cute you can write a decent fiction and all, but you ain’t gotta lie to kick it.
“Most people don’t fuck with me”
“I grew up in a bad neighborhood”
lmao!!! Bruh, you are not scary. All that extra bullshit, for what? You literally just proved my point. You’re pretentious af.
I didn’t even know this was your website… but that actually explains a lot about your holier than thou behavior. You make superheroine porn. Relax. At the end of the day you’re a fucking nobody. You constantly come off like you got a fucking chip on your shoulder which clearly suggests you got picked on quite a bit. You probably still do. So you come online and run your mouth to people pretending to be some tough guy. When you’re really just a sad excuse for a human being. It’s pathetic and played out. Be yourself, everybody else is taken. And not for nothing, you’re reply doesn’t even make sense… I get It that it’s your website but if you think that’s why people come here, you’re delusional. I’m reading everyone’s comments. Not just yours. I’m not glued to your every word. But point blank, I didn’t like your response to the dude that gave a recommendation and I think you’re a piece of shit for your sad attempt at belittling them. Oh and to answer your question… that’s easy… you’re the bigger bitch. And not for nothing, everyone can see it. I could keep going about how sad and pathetic you are but I think you get the gist. Take it easy, tough guy.
I ain’t reading all that. I will say this – I live in the Chicago land area. If you live around here, just tell me where you’ll be and we can have this conversation face to face. If you think I am scared of some keyboard warrior pussy then let me know where I can find you.
I am aware that I make porn and you should be aware that you cry on the internet when a guy who makes porn is mean to people. Once again, who is the bigger bitch?
I don’t mind being pretentious. I’m an artist. An artist needs an ego to put their work in public for mentally challenged folk like you to judge it. Stay big mad, lil dude.
not sure where else to post this but i dont understand what was going through the head of whoever redesigned SHG Media. one of the worst site redesigns ive ever seen. yeah the site was a mess because of all the AI stuff taking over the front page and maybe this was an attempt to fix that but all it did was make navigating the site worse.
having to click each individual producer to see their newest release is very annoying especially because theres no way of knowing how long the “new release” banner has been up. there have been times where a producer will release 2 vids in quick succession but you wouldnt know that based on how the site works now
really should go back to how it was before so that you can immediately see all of the newest releases from all studios in the order they released. simple. maybe have a second new release section under the regular one that focuses on AI releases.
Sounds like an opportunity to email the owner of SHG and not spam my post
Seeing he is your senpai, maybe you would have more sway in convincing him to revert the site back to how it was ?
Rye does not own SHG media.
Yeah I made the same comment, I think in this thread. They at least made it so you don’t have to scroll the initial page, but yeah would much rather it just default to all recent releases.
Update: Link for an VIXEN-AI Newsletter is now included in the article. Someone below requested that AI content not get mixed in with the normal newsletter, so a new newsletter has been created. Sign up if you would like future updates.
Just purchased it and watched the whole thing two times. Although it does really show any nudity, it turned me on. I know the limitations of AI and judging the length of the film, I bet the cost should be around a few thousand dollars. It surely cost a lot more time than real human actors. It is painful to struggle with the AI, sometimes AI adds an extra arm and leg randomly, but this film has no issues with it. I am amazed.
Please dun give up and continue to produce good stuff!
still waiting on spectral 2 🙁
If I could make things faster, I would. Believe that
I like your other works, but looking at the trailer, I won’t buy this. AI just isn’t at the level yet for this to be worth my money.
(And before anyone talks about privilege with spending money on porn or it just being 30$ or whatever, I don’t have infinite disposable income, I need to be careful with what I have to afford what I want)
AI is a tool.
Like any tool, in the hands of a fool, it probably won’t produce anything cool. In the hands of a craftsman, though, it can help shape something genuinely worthwhile.
I understand the argument about AI slop flooding forums and social media. But that’s exactly why, in this era more than ever, people need to curate who they trust, whose work they follow, and who they’re willing to support.
Especially in this economy.
And I think DW has shown time and time again that he’s a perfectionist. I have no issue giving a fair chance to someone who wants to use a new tool to bring his vision to life.
On that note, I’d actually encourage to give Suno a try, if you haven’t already, for creating music.
The platform allows you to monetize what you create, and the results are fucking good if you know what you doing. I’ve had some good results with it myself, so I can only imagine the kind of crazy shit DW could pull off with it.
no, its not a tool. it literally steals from actual artists and is destroying the planet
Will there be an episode 2? Really liked this first one!
This is a great film. I have purchased it this week and I like the storyline.
To me, I am alright with AI productions, and in fact, tons can be done with digital animation and so on. I can also understand that human actresses and actors are more expensive and it takes time to film. One man’s meat is another man’s poison. Both are my poison and I love them both.
I am looking forward to episode 2 in this series! 🙂
I really enjoyed this, great job for your first effort into AI videos! It would suggest more beatdown scenes as I don’t think there was enough. I’m looking forward to EP2!
my biggest problem with this crushing new wave of AI content from creators, is my general problem with AI: a feeling that I am watching something lifeless, rudderless, with the flawless expressions of characters that feel cloned on a conveyor belt – no blemishes, no unique qualities, nothing human and alive about them. I am not judging, I am talking purely about the aesthetic result I see before me. I understand the prohibitive cost of production and the currrent state of the industry, inflation, etc, all the factors that force creators down that road. All I am saying is that it makes me sad when i compare it to the heyday of the industry (which was only like 10-20 years ago!)
I would be interested to see if you thought this film felt rudderless and lifeless if you ever got a chance to see it. I understand the sentiment from other AI videos ive seen online (the small clip ones etc) but, I don’t think I would have made this a complete film if I thought it felt rudderless.
I’m sorry it wasn’t my intention at all to suggest your work here is. I haven;t seen it and will give it a fair shot. I was speaking to my general sentiment of seeing so much AI these days and so little “live action” that leaves me quite a bit disheartened, albeit with the understanding of the new world we’re living in
I don’t think AI video is ready for prime time just yet
but, Pandora’s box is open. AI video is 3 years or so into having usable results, it’s barely off the ground. If certain problems with AI video can be resolved(still up in the air if they can be resolved), the future is going to be insane for SHiP content(or any content for that matter)
So many problems will be solved like the acting(outside of porn acting), the right girl, the right costume, the right scenery, no tattoos etc. Not to mention all the stuff that can’t be done on a budget or even physically in real world without risking real harm to an actress.
What about real actresses’ jobs? Bro, times have changed. Nobody is lining up to act in fetish content, and especially SHiP. It’s not the 90s to early 2000s anymore. No real people are losing opportunities to earn some money. Just look at the SHiP landcape since the last and seemingly final boom around 2011-2015. Absolutely dire in terms of amount of actresses.
People can cross their arms and be AI haters, but the reality of being a SHiP producer is quite troublesome. When you are a consumer you can sit on your ass and demand the heavens, but at the end of the day it’s the producer with their time and money on the line in a stagnant genre. I consider AI video to be the last hurrah before the final dwindling of the SHiP genre. A desert with next to no oases.
The downside with AI video is of course that why would I even buy content if I can make it all myself? I’ve been making small clips with various scenarios exactly to my liking and from my perspective a new golden age is upon us.
You want more bad ass costumed cop? You got it.
EW&DG-esque camp with more peril? You got it.
Maybe more like 60s Batgirl, or 70s Wonder Woman? You got it.
And the list just goes on and on in how you can make it, and it will be acted with complete sincerity.
As a consumer for 24 years at this point I’ve landed on what I find the most appealing and it’s really that 60s batgirl or EW&DG style camp naivity and sincerity of the heroine. That doesn’t really exist anymore and hasn’t really fully existed in the SHiP genre. At the dawn of AI video it can finally exist at full power and that’s great for me.
Another thing with AI video is that people are saying producers are lazy, but because the consumer has the AI video power themselves if they choose to. That means that the producer has to step up their game when they create with AI. It has to be at a point where the consumer can look at it and say that yes they can make it themselves, but it’s so good and already made so it makes more sense to just buy it.
There’s also nothing stopping a producer from hiring an actress to use in certain shots, then have her likeness used with AI video. Her getting paid for her actual physical work and for the use of her likeness. I mean if hollywood can revive the dead, then a producer on a budget constraint can pay an actress to use her likeness for scenes that can’t be done any other way.
Yeah we see the same actors over and over again. I haven’t been interested in any of them, in forever honestly. It does save me money, which is nice. Eventually this technology will get to the point where you can make any dream a reality in superheroine video form. And it’s already gotten better, from even the earlier AI films we’ve seen posted on here.
I know. I am looking forward. Now I can make my own Wonder Woman scenes if I wanted to. Or someone like her in case the AI itself is restricted with copy rights materials. Especially 70’s Wonder Woman.
And yes I agree on the same actresses. It no longer tastes good seeing the same actress over and over. It feels like you are wasting money on the same moves you already have purchased.
I think this sentiment of “now I can do it for myself” isn’t really true. This stuff is cost prohibitive. And I think people believed the “moment” they think of gets them off, but in reality unless it’s constructed to lead into the moment there is no payoff. It’s like the truck flipping over in the The Dark Knight – you can say “now I could make a bigger truck flip over with the click of a button!” But the reality is it took the whole movie leading into that moment that made it exciting. None of this customer base is going to spend over a grand building a video story by themselves so they can get off to the one idea they had. A 15 second clip of someone getting KOed isn’t enough to please an audience that’s well fed
Generally don’t need a 30-60 minute setup for an unmasking scene, or a bear hug scene, or a cradle carry scene. Whatever the kink may be.
You are also assuming the cost is gonna stay high forever.
But hey, maybe it won’t be everyone’s cup of tea to be the creative in creating their own stuff, since a downside is you ruin your first time seeing it, by working on it. I get that.
I also think you undervalue how much you can get out of a minute worth of 15 second clips where everything is to your liking.
In fact for all those Lynda Carter WW, Yvonne Craig BG, Helen Slater SG guys. They can pave their own highways to hell with AI. They no longer need to make the compromise of “A Wonder Woman is good enough” when they can get THE Wonder Woman through AI.
A producer can’t really make videos with the actresses’ likeness to sell, but a consumer can do so in private.
A unmasking means nothing if there is nothing at stake. If you don’t agree then you dont understand the fundamentals of the genre.
“You are also assuming the cost is gonna stay high forever.” – You obviously know nothing about the tech world. Most new tech companies function on the ‘golden egg investor’ method, which is for a couple rich guys to toss enough money into a project, with the hopes of selling it off for a profit as quick as possible. A lot of AI companies tried to get the public into the tools by offering them high level processing at no cost. Like a drug dealer offering the first hit for free. But as time has gone on – they have pulled back the high processing product for an inferior one – because of cost. The golden egg money is the gateway drug, to offer a product to get a user addicted in hopes they can eventually profit off a returning user to a later compromised product. The AI bubble is already at the beginning of this. Which means it is more likely that high end video processing will become more expensive, not less.
Even companies like Youtube have used this method. Youtube was mostly not profitable for most of its existence. When people were hooked – they increased the amount of ad’s (that ruins the user experience) to offer an interior product in trade for keeping the platform useable. They even began running fake ads to offset the cost of function by taking money from companies who paid for ads on Youtube, and playing fake ads to bots to bleed those companies as much as possible.
I also personally think using a real persons likeness in AI fetish/porn is criminal behavior. And I think people need to have more self respect that to conduct themselves in that way.
I know enough about the genre to know it has been cutting corners to get to the “good stuff” fast because consumers expect 1 minute per dollar or less. So again, if you are an umasking guy, you don’t need 30 minutes to an hour for the setup so that an umasking hits as it should.
There is no difference between 5 minutes of straight fucking and 60 minutes of straight fucking before an unmasking.
If those 60 minutes has different story beats beyond a beatdown and sex, then that’s different. Of course that disappeared 10-15 years ago and wasn”t really that big back then either.
A TV-show that’s 24 episodes with a character you have followed for 22 episodes and they get umasked in episode 23, it will of course hit different and be more “delicious”, but now we are in a completely different realm.
Oh and everyone knows tech startups operate at a loss to gain a user base, and that Youtube and also Twitch had been operaing on a loss for a long long time. OpenAI had to shut down Sora even after a possible billion dollar deal with Disney.
If you paid attention to xAI’s Grok Imagine. It was extremely generous for a period of time as it was launched, but has since been made more sustainable. The users over at r/grok on reddit have been losing their minds ever since. Grok Imagine still has the cheapest cost per second on their API out of all the platforms as far as I can tell, so I think it’s still heavily subsidized by SpacexAI footing the bill.
Beyond corpo platforms there’s open source models, which of course isn’t as good as closed source corpo models, but that’s now, that’s not in 5 years. In 5 years corpo models will of course still be better than open source, but open source will likely be at a level beyond what is usable for the purpose of creating SHiP content.
On top of that they are highly customizable unlike corpo platforms. Of course corpo platforms might offer customization in the future.
A good enough open source model including customization and you run it locally for essentially peanuts. Price isn’t an issue at all beyond just buying a computer with a GPU.
Anyway glorious dawn of a golden age is upon us!
“I know enough about the genre to know it has been cutting corners to get to the “good stuff” fast because consumers expect 1 minute per dollar or less.” – first of all, I speak to other producers. We discuss things we wouldn’t discuss with people outside of our little echo chamber. No one has mentioned a dollar per minute in over a decade. And no one is cost cutting to get to the good stuff. Most of the genre is ran by custom customers, so I don’t even know what you are talking about.
“There is no difference between 5 minutes of straight fucking and 60 minutes of straight fucking before an unmasking.” – you can’t tell the difference between 5 minutes of sex and 60?
“everyone knows tech startups operate at a loss to gain a user base” – what? Most people don’t know anything about this. Most people know absolutely nothing about tech startups.
I think you have a bad tendency to think your personal preferences are somehow community preferences. You also seem to over assume about information that you don’t have. And you also over assume how much people are aware of.
“Glorious dawn of a golden age is upon us” – I think you need to take AI’s generated dick out of your mouth. It’s honestly not that great, and at the end of the day the subject in question is literally just fetish content to masturbate too.
If people cumming in a more customize way is the ‘glorious dawn of a golden age’ then, yikes son
I think you misunderstood me. I am not talking about making it for profit. Who said I want to make a 15 second video for an audience? I understand where you come from, but this is something for me personally. And I am not talking making one now. But in the future when the AI develops. I don’t mind a very short simple video that is even less than 5 minutes. Something that is for my viewing pleasure.
Oh, I don’t think I misunderstood you whatsoever.
Well you did. I have no interests in making an AI film for sale. I am making it for myself and myself alone. You were quickly to assume, understandable, from a filmmaker/producer of these content. But I am talking as a consumer now. Not a filmmaker. A quick fight scene is good enough for me with no build up. I don’t need the excess minutes of dialogue. Straight to the action.
I think you misunderstood me. I am not making one for profit or for audience. I am talking about making one for myself. And personally, I don’t mind a very short video.
I love AI stuff. I think it can add a lot to the fight scenes, and I think anti-AI people are holding on to a world that no longer exists. That said, AI can’t really do sex scenes well, not as well as you can do, so the best will probably be a hybrid model in the near-term: real life for the explicit parts, AI for VFX and fight scenes.
“I think anti-AI people are holding on to a world that no longer exists”
🤦♂️
This is the same thing we heard about cryptocurrency and NFTs for years. Techbros really love to frame all natural opposition to their schemes as “old man yells at cloud” while nobody buys their cartoon monkey PNGs.
And you also heard about the internet and streaming and yet here they are. Not everything succeeds, but this one won’t be going anywhere I suspect.
The internet and streaming is a delivery method for media, not a would-be replacement for it as lines like “a world that no longer exists” want you to believe.
Lets hope that bubble bursts rather sooner than later.
I couldn’t agree more
I know the irony in saying this as I am selling an AI film, but I don’t agree. I think there are several topics people should never reach a conclusion on, I think anti-AI is a fair one. There is a reason the US has the amendment system in the government, things change and we need to be able to address how we react to those changes as time goes on.
I am guessing most of the people here have never done computer engineering in their life. Nor would they be able to break down exactly what machine learning is. ‘AI’ is kind of like a boogeyman identifier, as artificial intelligence doesn’t actually exist. So when people say they don’t like ‘AI’, it’s not really clear what AI they are talking about, or what they think AI is.
IMO there is nothing productive about taking a hard stance on something thats rapidly progressing at a rate thats kind of impossible to understand. But to me, this project is mostly the equivalent of selling all of you a short story I wrote. Something that I couldn’t have made with real people as my limits were lifted in favor of my imagination. And it comes with visual pictures that move.
I agree, especially with the “there is nothing productive about taking a hard stance on something thats rapidly progressing at a rate thats kind of impossible to understand”. On top of that, AI videos allow for a level of physical and sexual violence that could never be achieved in the genre otherwise. I’ve been watching softcore/hardcore heroine peril/sexual peril for 25 years, but content no matter how creative or high quality it may be, always feels too grounded when it’s real people. That’s what i’m digging about this new wave of AI wrestling/heroine peril. It’s actually how i’d imagine it looking in my head, huge turn on.
I think most people understand that we are not talking about actually Abobimnable Intelligence(Sorry Warhammer reference :P)
It’s learning Algorithms, that makes it even worse for me.
If an actual AI would make a Movie that be kinda cool, way scary but cool.
There is usel ways to implement those algorithm, generative Stuff for creative endeavors just isn’t it for me.( I believe you put a lot of work in it, but for every you there is “2000” that just produce slop).
And frankly we are not using them in very sensible ways either at this point in time. More in destructive ones
But like I ais before, I hope the Bubble bursts, maybe when can get back to using this stuff sensibly then.
But either way until then I’m fine with just coexisting an ignoring everything AI made as well as I can.
Bah damn I can’t write.
Humans are not sensible. Never have been and never will be.
What ? I get along pretty fine without generative AI.
As long as you don’t show AI slob in my Face we can easily coexist though.(This is exactly why I give SHL a pass, he is open about it)
Most Art or Erotic Art stores have a Toggle for AI. It’s easily ignorable.
*shove
I just finished watching the video. And to be honest, this is exactly what I always hoped AI would fix. I won’t lie to you or bore you with the self righteous attitude coming from any Anti-AI folks. AI CAN fix a lot of what restricts SHIP movies. Personally, depicting actual physicality, actual choreography and brutality from the big bad on the little cocky heroine is what makes an excellent SHIP movie (or episode) or not. I need to feel the danger she is facing when she is getting her beatdown. The choreography that these two are proficient fighters. The reaction needs an actress that can actually act the part (sorry but some actresses have a frozen face when they get a beatdown). Two super powered beings fighting needs to be brutal with lots of elements involved. Lots of manhandling and close of a showdown. Live action will only take the creator so far with limited action and two actors who seems afraid of accidentally throwing a real punch (understandable) But with AI, a lot of that seems not an issue. Just look at the close up when he punches her face or stomach.
Ironically, the only thing that looked kind of funny and awkward was none other than the sex scene in some areas. Like was wondering “What the hell is he doing?” (I can go deeper, no pun intended, but not sure if my comment will get an issue or not so I bet you know which position I am talking about)
As AI improves, so will the choreography and fight scene and peril improves. And it will be an alternative outlet for others like myself to get into.
Two things:
1) If I may suggest, as someone has mentioned, you can mix in real action with AI for the restricting stuff. But rather than finding an actress that looks like the AI character, I suggest you based the AI character on the actress and the made up character. That way when the AI uses her face, it seems indistinguishable.
2) Just a question, what tool (or tools) did you use for the movie? I am curious to try it out for myself.
Thank you for your time and good luck in your future projects.
I agree with Max completely.
What AI can already do well, at least for now, is the desperation in a fight. The danger and the physical beating come through more clearly than live action often allows.
The sexual scenes are another matter. Whether the model intends it or not, those parts still look awkward in many places. That gap is hard to ignore.
Yep and it lacks any kind of authenticity or emotion. No thanks.
AI is improving. Nevertheless, I understand and I respect your concern. But let us be honest here, have you seen how many SHIP movies where the acting in perilous scenes are just as terrible? Do you know how many live action movies have, as you said “lacks any kind of authenticity or emotion”? I mean in this one, Vixen has a reaction to getting her belly punched hard that I haven’t seen in years. There is a moment when the character couldn’t get a time for herself before getting pummeled again. Where or when will I get that in any of the live action ones? If you have seen the episode you will know. Bottom line, if I was going to pay an amount of money, as long as I get an actual beatdown that depicts the brutality of the fight, I would go with the AI one.
Yes I know there is actors that can’t deliver, there is a reason why I like Dakota.
But even the inability is authentic, I am honestly not sure how I can describe it. With AI there is literally nothing there. I feel nothing, I don’t hate it. I just don’t care to watch it.
It’s the same for me with Hand drawn art, the Author has an influence to it that the AI does not.
AI is simply putting things together that i has seen before, there is no Spark or Joy there.
I would describe it as beautiful but completely lifeless.
Funny enough, your frustration with AI is exactly my frustration with live action. Even Dakota can’t sell it sometimes for me. I think because I can’t see the full potential of a perilous Dakota, and that too much Dakota for me can be too saturated. I know longer feel I care about seeing her in a perilous scene.
Fair enough, to each his own.
I mean you can just ignore Dakota and I can ignore AI made stuff.
In the end we can coexist.
Speak of the devil and it shows. There are some newer comments showing up on older posts that read like normal customer responses but I believe are AI generated. Sorry if I accidentally moderate anyones comment in the next week – I think the computers are getting smart enough to work out what we are discussing and add responses that reference our actresses but arent real
I don’t comment often but this is where I’m coming from. I give you my money for your work. For your blood, sweat, and tears. For your original content, for your original words, for all the blemishes, reshoots, and edits.
I get in trouble at work for calling out people that use ChatGPT for their work. The company is paying us for our work, not for some computer generated response. It’s my expertise, my knowledge, my intelligence that they’re paying me for.
If I know something is made primarily with AI, I will not support it. At all. Full stop.
As long as it is priced way cheaper than the stuff with actual human actors and you are not trying ti trick anyone into believing it’s another producer I don’t mind it as much.
Sadly the internet is flooded with this slop but it’s good to see a product with some more care put into it.
I would never buy them in the current state but in a few years who knows. Although I feel the “hook” with AI is going in and doing it yourself since you can personalize so much
I support you using AI so long as you convert to a subscription based model!
Oh, I am never going to do that. I believe people should buy what they want, not pay me in hopes that I eventually make something they might want
I purchased the film and enjoyed watching it. Thank you for being so open about the process.
Recent AI heroine videos keep reminding me that the result still depends a great deal on how deeply a creator uses the tools, and on the imagination behind them. Taste within the genre will naturally differ. Looking only at immersion and how natural it feels, Rye’s work currently seems to me to reflect a bit more time and care.
I do not mean that as a criticism of this film.
Thank you again for sharing it.
Hello, Director, I’ve always really liked your work, and I was very happy to see that you’re making an AI movie. I come from China, the country with the strongest video model, seedacne2.5. I post on Douyin, and I have quite a few followers (abroad you call it TikTok). From your screenshots, I feel that your production skills are still a bit raw, maybe because this model comes from China. I’ve been using this model since January this year. I’ve always wanted to release some ship works, but unfortunately, that’s not allowed in our country. I’d like to ask if there’s a chance to collaborate. If you think it’s possible, please give me your contact info, and I’ll send you my works (I believe they look no different from real people). I’m sure you’ll also think the work is really good.
I’m quite against AI these days. Apart from all the environmental issues and the crazy concentration of capital in the hands of a few big techs, I really dislike the fact that it encourages filmmakers to be lazier. This isn’t the case here!
I would go as far as calling this a masterpiece. To me the scenes you don’t typically get in a live action SHIP film truly make this special. The scene in the shower after she was defeated really shows how devastating it is to be a defeated heroine. And the coda? Damien does a great job building this character. And the performance? Gosh it goes to places I didn’t think an AI film would go. Though there are plenty of traces of unnaturalness, the character does have a personality that feels innocent in a way that does suit a person not from this ordinary planet.
Lastly, as a tights lover, the high shine of the nylon speaks to my kinks 100%
I bought the film yesterday and I’ve watched it a few times. It holds up to repeated viewings. Bravo.
I appreciate the honesty with this, and overall I’m a bit less hardline 100% against AI in these movies than I once was, but that only comes to things like the news reports, effects shots if needed. A full AI film is something I have no interest in.
That being said, based on the preview it doesn’t look as bad as 90% of other fully AI videos and that’s genuinely a credit to you as a filmmaker, but this is a hard pass for me.
Trying my best to be upfront in a way that feels as transparent as I can be. I appreciate the compliment.
And just in case anyone is reading this: if an all AI film is a hard pass for you… you don’t have to tell me. I don’t need 20 comments saying you aren’t interested in buying this. Not buying it says more than enough. LOL.
I invite people to post criticism of the fact that I used AI to begin with. No one here is wondering what the guy next to him is buying. No one has ever asked me what my favorite shampoo is. My sales data is all the messaging I need about what people do and do not buy.
At the end of the day, let the market decide. I applaud your efforts and transparency. As with any medium, there is growth and change. In this case, you are still the story creator. As a customer, I’m paying for the story, costume, selection of actors/actresses, setting, lights and all. You still have creative control of those. AI is just a new medium for you to flex your creative powers.
I understand both sides of the argument. I’m still not completely comfortable with this venture. But I decided to go through with it cause I saw an opportunity to use the tech in a unique way to me. And at the end of the day, like I mentioned below, any money I’ve ever made in the last twenty years of my life directly goes back into making heroine films with real people. In recent years I’ve had to be more creative with how I do that, as luxury spending money is on the decline for everybody.
I do now see the potential better though, on how I can use this technology to possibly benefit my other work. So maybe the rising tide with raise all the ships
My hope is that AI is used to enhance rather than create outright. I imagine you put a lot of time into making the film, perhaps not as much as a live action film, but I doubt this was one long prompt.
Hello, video looked great! Would you ever consider mixing AI with real actors? Use AI for complicated or more visual fighting scenes etc then return to normal for the peril scenes?
That’s the plan, as long as it can be close to seamless
To be fair here. If that happens I am probably out. I’m Ok with you doing AI movies on the side.
If AI gets a bigger part than just background in the “real” movies, I’m not sure If I want to support that.
I mean one of my biggest joys was watching all the outtakes of Dakota and the guys lol
Im ok with it not looking perfect. It’s Authentic.
I am curious; do you think you would bring this character into live action.
If I could have an actress that can look and play the part, that would be amazing
Thats another Problem with AI in my opionion. Every Girl has the same Babydoll look just with different hair.
You’d have to find a Girl that looks like the average Hentai it’s trained on.
Nothing to really do with this release, but man I really hate the new SHG Media layout. It used to just go to the homepage with all the recent releases and now I have to agree to terms and conditions everytime and then search on a store by store basis. Please bring back the old default recent releases page.
I don’t own SHG, have anything to do with their website layout and cannot help you
Hi Bob. Thank you for the awesome suggestions. You did have to accept TOS on the old site every time as well but it was more conveniently laid out. I will lay that out better and make it last longer so that that it is less of an issue. Additionally I will add an all products link at some point so you can have the original product layout. That being said, shg is migrating towards each creator having their own store so that their products can be viewed uncluttered from other sellers content and so people can selectively view the creators they enjoy while avoiding the ones they do not. I appreciate your suggestions on the TOS and having the option for a new release page.
Also have to say I really enjoyed this video. The depth of story, the setup for future storytelling, the deliberate design of the lead character and her personality traits, and the drama and psychology that both characters experience, was really great to see in a medium that usually can’t convey such things. Very well done!
Hey thanks for the reply!
This looks good, just like Rye’s. As soon as there explicit sexual peril and nudity in them I will start buying. I know you mentioned below about that being a possibility in the future. Would you said it’s a likelihood?
This has potential, but at the time being (softcore, short, good video quality and “acting” / you did really good considering AI porn out there / but still a bit unrealistic acting overall) it is a pass from me, sorry. Maybe a year from now?
I would say that to use AI for special effects to save you some time and money is completely fine.
OMG I’ve followed your work for almost a decade now, and this is one of the ones I’m most excited to see. The AI space is one where you can have your EXACT kink fantasy fulfilled. I just wish I had the skills to pull something like this off, this is fuq’n fire!
I mean I’m really not a fan of anything generative AI but….
As long as it’s clearly marked as AI so I can ignore it(And real people stays the focus) that’s ok.
I wil just add it to ignored AI List as I do with most anything generative AI.
It would be nice if you could not include the AI Films into the none AI newsletter though, for new movies I mean.
wondering if this doesnt go to full on sex maybe some forced oral showing the heroine from behind might work? hopefully the other wife character gets drawn into this at some point as well. would be nice to see both in much less clothing. i thought the sweating effect was really interesting and the foot movement scenes seemed a little reminiscent of uninvited the original version.
great AI product! hope there’s more coming. keep up the storyline and the violence…do we get to the nudity at some point? maybe some shower scenes pre or post mission?
It’s OK that directors try this new tools, but the pricing feels rediculus to me. No nudity but mire expensive than real life actors while i find similar Stuff on deviantards for much lower costs or even free.
The Pricung absolutely doesnt match with the delivered Content. Il stay with my Deviants here and pass those expensive PG13 Movie
The other day I bought fast food, and after taxes it costed me $18 USD. So, this film is priced slightly more than a hamburger and fries. Value is in the eye of the beholder. In the future I am sure it will be included in a blind box or in a sale.
To add another perspective, I am rich enough to buy 100+ USD hardcore Black Label, but not rich enough to pay 30 USD for softcore short content, sorry. Doesn´t really matter whether it is AI or not.
So i should spend my money on overpriced AI slop because of you eating to much expensive Fastfood? Nah, man, not gonna happen!
The other day i bought an membership at giga heroine for the same price and there is a lot more value in it than in one PG13 AI Video. Sorry, i really like your movies and bought many of them even for the full price to support your work, and they are totally worth it in my opinion, but the pricing here is absolutely not reasonable. It feels greedy and to be honest this kind of production a bit lazy too.
Rise quality or lower the price. Otherwise you can’t count on my financial support any longer.
I hope you make the right decission
Best
giga is censored … you cannot really compare censored jav with softcore AI …
I need you to buy me hamburgers. You’re German aren’t you? Ever hear of… Hamburg… Germany?
If you like Burgers, try the Fette Kuh in Cologne. Maybe the best burgers in the whole Country. Hamburg is better known for the Fischbrötchen. Not shure if you would like those.
If you ever visit germany give me a call and i’ll be happy to invite you.
Kaiserslautern err K-Town has some good smashed Burgers. I’d gladly invite you 😛
And no sorry Hamburg Citizens are sadly not for sale.
Looks great, I’ll give it a go.
The thing with AI is that it gives you an opportunity to do things that you never would be able to do with a real actress and add scenery and special effects that would be prohibitively expensive, I think the 2 can live side by side I’ve seen some great sex stuff and horrific gory stuff made in AI and as the tech becomes better and cheaper then I would guess the way it handles nudity and sex will become easier.
Of course AI is a weighty subject with a lot of things to think about.
But looking at it strictly from the videos it produces, this current AI stuff kind of reminds me of what it was like to be in the early days of internet superheroine peril. Back when people were just starting to make this stuff, things were a little janky. People had very limited tech, and people were learning how to do all of the production stuff. But at the same time, there was this excitement that doesn’t exist as much anymore, where you never knew what people were going to do next. There were so many things to explore that hadn’t been explored and you never knew if something was going to deliver something you’d always wanted but had never seen before.
These days, the movies are all WAY better than they used to be, in terms of quality and execution, which is awesome, but it has been a while since there’s been that sense of unexplored possibilities.
AI stuff kind of reminds me of that a little. It’s definitely a bit janky at this stage and people are still figuring it out. But for the first time in a while, it feels like there’s so much stuff people could do but just haven’t done yet because it’s early days.
Disclaimer: I’m not saying AI videos are better than ones with real actors. I don’t think they are. The movies with actors in them that people are making are higher quality than they’ve ever been and still exploring new things. Just saying… the AI stuff does kind of rekindle that stuff from the early days of this genre, which has been tremendously fun, as well.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. There’s a world where they can both exist.
To be honest I don’t know how much better I want this tech to get, because it can be uncanny in a way that makes me uncomfortable. But I agree with the sentiment about the unknown/unseen. You won’t believe how much time I have spent in my life trying to draft up plans on how to make a retractable plank with an alligator pit IRL, but, I don’t think I can ever really afford to make that happen for real. And arguably, I could def use AI for that
First and foremost due credit to you for your absolute honesty, transparency and clarity, both for the detail on the post and for what is in the film.
May I ask, as regards the no nudity, is that because it’s hard to do or that the AI software won’t let you or makes it difficult- I’ve heard this suggested but wanted to ask someone who genuinely know the answer.
Due respect again for your frank and honest post
I am not opposed to it and it would be tricky (obviously there are guardrails with this stuff). But when I was originally making this film, I had no intention of what I would do with it, if I would complete it to begin with, let alone release it. I kind of just fell in love with the character, who she was, what she would do, that I kept plucking away at it. By the time I was in too deep – trying to shoehorn something like nudity into the film would have been too expensive and it might reduce watch quality for the sake of adding time. Historically, I prefer as much of a costume stays on. So I wasn’t concerned with that when it was just a private project for me.
Thanks for taking the time to answer, on that basis i have just made the purchase, good luck for the future and let’s have Luminara back, knickers down !
Sorry, but hard pass… actors and actresses need jobs and even part time AI content is not the way forward, but you already knew that, just got peer pressured into looking futher. But you have to keep resisting, it’s the only way to rid it from creative spaces.
I dunno how long you’ve been around here, but what do you think I do with profit? I put all my money into making more and more films. Hiring real actors is why I’m broke. Especially since the current economy means less people have money to spend. So, if this film is profitable, real actors will be the beneficiaries of my extra spending money. That’s always been my prerogative
Hey Damian, I’d love to share a few thoughts. I’ve been following your work for a decade—maybe even longer—and I really enjoy your films. Compared to others, yours are more polished and have a more cinematic feel; the action and erotic scenes are more intense (I don’t mean to criticize other creators or cause offense; I’m just sharing my perspective). Because your productions are so refined, the production time and costs are significantly higher, which is exactly why I look forward to your new releases so much—I’ve bought almost every one of them. Regarding AI, my view is that it diminishes the sense of realism; when I start watching, I’m immediately aware that I’m looking at virtual characters. Even if their facial expressions are more expressive than those of real actors, I know it’s all artificial. I prefer authentic filmmaking, and I find it hard to truly immerse myself in AI-generated content. That said, AI could perhaps serve as a nice enhancement—for instance, in rendering large-scale scenes—but I hope you’ll keep your primary focus on films featuring real actors. Looking forward to your next project. All the best.
Nicely done. Looks great!
Thank you senpai
I also was against ai, still am in most principles. But it can be helpful as a tool. I started to use it to create images of scenarios that likely could never make it into a human acted ship film like public settings, large set pieces, monster villains. Curious to see the concepts that come out of this!
Hi Damien.. I actually like that you’re advancing with the AI technology and delving into that territory, and I’m thinking that you can probably create content with limitless imagination when it comes to peril, set pieces , storylines , villians, etc. Just please keep your superheroines pantyhose-clad .. that’s my only request . Lol
Good luck on this endeavor. I’m probably gonna pass on this though.
Would you say that AI films are actually cheaper ?
Well, considering how much this cost to make, if I tripled its runtime to be closer to my actual films (which are usually 60 minutes) it might actually become more expensive than some of my normal films. Unless it’s a bigger production like either Ares film, or something like TKJ. Granted, I was in the learning phase, so there was extra cost with early mistakes I made in the process. But it isn’t cheap.
I didn’t even notice there was a trailer, oh well. doesn’t matter, I trust the director. purchased!!!!!
Yes I heard from some film makers. Because of the tokens. It’s actually cheaper making some movies. I don’t see the value in moving to AI other than the hassle and efficiency. But it’s doesn’t seem to be cheaper as some say it is. What about a combination of both? AI assisted? I suppose it would be an issue of figuring out at what point in the film AI would be used. Perhaps AI could generate the villain ? Unrelated to SHIP I’ve seen some very good AI assisted films. Definitely burns less tokens
IRL if I were to build a room size death trap, AI would be significantly cheaper. My intention with even doing this is to venture into stuff that isn’t cost prohibitive IRL or possible. The opening shot is a great example of something I could never pull off IRL. Or like with Ryes recent work – hiring 100 actors to be spectators in a stadium isn’t possible. So I don’t think breaking it down into a cost/efficiency is the reason why I am doing this. I can’t speak for Rye or his perspective.
As far as merging the two, I need to do more experiments. There is no high quality 4k video generators that would seamless match with the way I shoot films. Most people only watch my films in 1080P, so maybe that doesn’t matter in the end. But I would really hate to not have the integration be seamless. I don’t know it’s possible today, but who knows what the future holds.
I believe there is an efficient way to combine the two having experience with AI. No point wasting money on tokens even if this film looks amazing. There are some impressive channels, films out there that combine both very effectively. Maybe I will send you an email 🙂
Hey folks, I’ve seen this and was blown away! The heroine is gorgeous, the action and peril was great and there is an actual engaging story in this. I would say a major factor that puts this above over AI videos in general is that it was seamless. Everything flowed nicely and you could see there was great effort and appreciation of the SHIP genre put into it. Check it out!